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(from Wikipedia) Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (1155 1219-11-03) was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against King John of England, and a major figure in both Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the twelfth and thirteent h centuries. The rise of Saer, the Lord of Leuchars, to prominence in England came through his marriage before 1173 to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester andsurely no Following his marriage, de Quincy became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England. He seems to have owed his importance to his personal status and connections rather than any close alliance with King John. One man with whom he does seem to have developed a close personal relationship is his cousin, Robert Fitzwalter, another grandson of Maud of St Liz by her first husband Robert Fitz Richard. They are first found together in 1203, as co-commanders o f the garrison at the major fortress of Vaudreuil in Normandy; they were responsible for surrendering the castle without a fight to Philip II of France, In Scotland, he was perhaps more successful. In 1211-12, the Earl of Winchester commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion's campaign against the Mac William rebels, a force which some historian s have suggested may have been the mercenary force from Brabant lent to the campaign by John. In 1215, when the baronial rebellion broke out, Robert Fitzwalter became the military commander, and the Earl of Winchester joined him, acting as one of the chief negotiators with John; both cousins were among the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta . De Quincy fought against John in the troubles that followed the signing of the Charter, and, again with Fitzwalter, travelled to France to invite Prince Louis of France to take the English throne. He and Fitzwalter were subsequently among the mo st committed and prominent supporters of Louis' candidature for the kingship, against both John and the infant Henry III. When military defeat cleared the way for Henry III to take the throne, de Quincy went on crusade, perhaps in fulfillment of an earlier vow, and in 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging Family: The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest, and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Béthune; the personal name "Saer" was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelled in pr imary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci. Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis de Mar, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took par t in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his pr imary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France. By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Saer de Quincy had three sons and three daughters:
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